First gen 10nm, because it's likely to be the optimized stuff but shrunk down, and that power reduction possibly means higher frequency as well. But I wouldn't buy anything the day of release, I'd wait for the reviews,
Neither. I think it would be a mistake to buy any of these scramblings from failure from Intel at this point. This happened with Broadwell do. Intel delayed it a for a long time, and it ended-up one of the worst microarchitectures in since Sandy Bridge.
^^^^ time will tell, but they are very much in scramble mode right now, maybe they will "get it right" but then again, maybe they will not.
in theory the jump down to 10nm will "help" but then again it is very "unknown" at this point so any possible problems or gains are likely to surface on gen 1 of the 10nm shrink....whereas a "new" chip on a very very known 14nm process will likely get all the possible love they can give it.
I think something along the line of Ryzen gen 1 (Ryzen 1xxx) on 14nm are quite good, but the refinement of this 14nm down to "12nm" for Ryzen gen 2 (2xxx 2018) helpe in regards to more constant more aggressive turbo core and/or reduction in power at the same clocks.
usually a smaller node allows the reduction in power sometimes an increase in clockspeed for less power or increase in clock for the same power at least it has more or less been this way for many generations for AMD as well as Intel more Intel, but they have been more about doing minimal performance +% vs reduction in power -%.
It has to get them grumbling though that all their fab competition (TSMC, GF, Samsung etc) will all be hitting 7nm likely within a scant few months prior to or slightly after Intel finally manages to get to 10nm.
well unless they all had some kind of wonky agreement to do exactly this (unlikely, but sometimes even the worst of "enemies" can see eye to eye in fighting a war)
Ian, I've tried on two different devices now. OP3T on stock OOS 5 with the latest Pocket Cast app and also my P2XL on DP2 with the latest Pocket Cast app. OP3T on AT&T and P2XL on VZW. I've tried both phones on WiFi and LTE at home and at work. Neither will download this episode. I'll just listen to the podcast using the weblink you gave me on Twitter, thanks for checking on this. Hopefully episode 47 doesn't have this problem.
Ian, just wanted to let you know that I fixed the problem I was having. I unsubscribed and then subscribed again, I was able to download the episode after that. So weird but anyways that was it.
I listen to part on XPS 15 2in1 and have one because I was interested in EMIB process - and it appears that the primary purpose Intel had for increase enough performance on discrete graphics and HDM2 memory integration. I think with where XPS 15 is currently marketed at - it good fit.
I see two important factors here
1. There are rumors that Intel's next generation graphics Artic Sound will be announce at 2019 CES - this is from wccftech - so reliability may be factor - but it pretty sure 100% to be on EMIB. I believe the next generation of this 870x product will be Artic sound and not AMD
2. Apple possibilities with this chip - can not be over looked - especially with Intel Recent hires
One issue I cam concern with my XPS 15 2in1 is compatibility with software - I attempted to try Steam VR and it did not detected the GPU and only used iGPU. Another issue is software for Cyberlink to check for compatibility with 4k HDR Blu-ray and the XPS does not have 10 bit color support.
Important for me I was able to get Photoshop CS5, Lightwave 2018, Vue 2016 and other graphics application on it. Primary issue is font and 4k screen with CS5 - resolved. I am impressed with this 2in1 portability and power. I did notice new normal XPS 15 and I think I like this one better because it has two Thunderbolt 3 instead of 1 on new XPS. 2in1 is awesome to have.
What about finishing your past articles before making such podcasts? It has been close to a month now that we are waiting for the X470 chipset details in the article about the new Ryzens, and still nothing. There are still no conclusions about those Ryzen in the article either.
I understand that it takes time to rerun all the benchmarks, but ithas been two weeks since the HPET article, and the X470 details are unrelated to that issue anyway.
Is typing not sexy enough compared to making videos?
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ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Wednesday, May 9, 2018 - link
Would any of you prefer an 1st gen 10nm INTEL CPU to a highly optimized 14nm Whiskey Lake, assuming they both have the same Meltdown FixesI have been holding out for 10nm but am beginning to think a highly optimized process is the way to go at this point
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Wednesday, May 9, 2018 - link
Lets say Whiskey Lake came out this evening and Canon Lake came out tomorrow morningThey both are identical as to cores/clocks and cost
Would you prefer a 1st gen/revision-0 10nm process just to save 5-10 power consumption or a highly optimized 14nm?
GreenReaper - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
First gen 10nm, because it's likely to be the optimized stuff but shrunk down, and that power reduction possibly means higher frequency as well. But I wouldn't buy anything the day of release, I'd wait for the reviews,Krysto - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
Neither. I think it would be a mistake to buy any of these scramblings from failure from Intel at this point. This happened with Broadwell do. Intel delayed it a for a long time, and it ended-up one of the worst microarchitectures in since Sandy Bridge.Dragonstongue - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
^^^^ time will tell, but they are very much in scramble mode right now, maybe they will "get it right" but then again, maybe they will not.in theory the jump down to 10nm will "help" but then again it is very "unknown" at this point so any possible problems or gains are likely to surface on gen 1 of the 10nm shrink....whereas a "new" chip on a very very known 14nm process will likely get all the possible love they can give it.
I think something along the line of Ryzen gen 1 (Ryzen 1xxx) on 14nm are quite good, but the refinement of this 14nm down to "12nm" for Ryzen gen 2 (2xxx 2018) helpe in regards to more constant more aggressive turbo core and/or reduction in power at the same clocks.
usually a smaller node allows the reduction in power sometimes an increase in clockspeed for less power or increase in clock for the same power at least it has more or less been this way for many generations for AMD as well as Intel more Intel, but they have been more about doing minimal performance +% vs reduction in power -%.
It has to get them grumbling though that all their fab competition (TSMC, GF, Samsung etc) will all be hitting 7nm likely within a scant few months prior to or slightly after Intel finally manages to get to 10nm.
well unless they all had some kind of wonky agreement to do exactly this (unlikely, but sometimes even the worst of "enemies" can see eye to eye in fighting a war)
Megatomic - Wednesday, May 9, 2018 - link
There is a problem with this podcast episode in Pocket Casts and it cannot be downloaded. Can you please look into this?Ian Cutress - Wednesday, May 9, 2018 - link
It should be sorted now - can someone confirm for me please :)Megatomic - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
Ian, I've tried on two different devices now. OP3T on stock OOS 5 with the latest Pocket Cast app and also my P2XL on DP2 with the latest Pocket Cast app. OP3T on AT&T and P2XL on VZW. I've tried both phones on WiFi and LTE at home and at work. Neither will download this episode. I'll just listen to the podcast using the weblink you gave me on Twitter, thanks for checking on this. Hopefully episode 47 doesn't have this problem.Megatomic - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Ian, just wanted to let you know that I fixed the problem I was having. I unsubscribed and then subscribed again, I was able to download the episode after that. So weird but anyways that was it.tipoo - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
71:52 FIN(fet)HStewart - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
I listen to part on XPS 15 2in1 and have one because I was interested in EMIB process - and it appears that the primary purpose Intel had for increase enough performance on discrete graphics and HDM2 memory integration. I think with where XPS 15 is currently marketed at - it good fit.I see two important factors here
1. There are rumors that Intel's next generation graphics Artic Sound will be announce at 2019 CES - this is from wccftech - so reliability may be factor - but it pretty sure 100% to be on EMIB. I believe the next generation of this 870x product will be Artic sound and not AMD
2. Apple possibilities with this chip - can not be over looked - especially with Intel Recent hires
One issue I cam concern with my XPS 15 2in1 is compatibility with software - I attempted to try Steam VR and it did not detected the GPU and only used iGPU. Another issue is software for Cyberlink to check for compatibility with 4k HDR Blu-ray and the XPS does not have 10 bit color support.
Important for me I was able to get Photoshop CS5, Lightwave 2018, Vue 2016 and other graphics application on it. Primary issue is font and 4k screen with CS5 - resolved. I am impressed with this 2in1 portability and power. I did notice new normal XPS 15 and I think I like this one better because it has two Thunderbolt 3 instead of 1 on new XPS. 2in1 is awesome to have.
kkilobyte - Friday, May 11, 2018 - link
What about finishing your past articles before making such podcasts?It has been close to a month now that we are waiting for the X470 chipset details in the article about the new Ryzens, and still nothing. There are still no conclusions about those Ryzen in the article either.
I understand that it takes time to rerun all the benchmarks, but ithas been two weeks since the HPET article, and the X470 details are unrelated to that issue anyway.
Is typing not sexy enough compared to making videos?
luisantoniodias - Thursday, May 31, 2018 - link
Excellent podcast gentlemen, I'm looking forward to the next black friday to set up a new Ryzen based setup, hoping for the prices to be inviting.Best regards!
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https://luisantoniodias.blogspot.com/
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