It never says what speed the m.2 slot is on the mobo, but the MXM module is only PCIe 3.0 speeds.
Power is from a 19V laptop power brick. Presumably you'd want at least a 180W?
At $313, I think it would be competitive against an Flashtor6 FS6706T. The catch being Flashtor6 is an all NVMe solution, where as this mobo is only 4xNVMe + 2xSATA.
If you want more SATA ports, I guess you can buy 3x JMB585 NVMe to SATA adapters for a total of 15 more? Powering such a contraption being another story.
"Those who would like to use the Eyertec AD650i for a PC, the MXM slot is not limited to SSDs and can technically be used to install a graphics card. But as MXM graphics cards have fallen out of favor (in place of soldered-down solutions), finding one worth installing is a whole other matter."
No MXM Modules is a great Option Considering that AMD's No Longer releasing Desktop APUs of The Socket Packaged Variety. So just think about some AM5 Mini ITX MB with an MXM slot adapter and that still has an AM5 socket so I can build some Inwin Chopin like Very Small For Factor DIY Build there and us some Ryzen 7000 desktop processor in that with that only RDNA2/2CU graphics and with the MXM based dGPU useful for gaming.
That price isn't bad - a CPU with that many threads ain't cheap, and if you feed it decent power limits (which presumably in a case it can handle), the performance isn't that far off the desktop ones.
Main issue for me is idle power - none of these vendors seem great at idle optimisation, so these limited devices (even the N100 ones) often idle around 10w (laptops are 1-2w screen off) - it's pretty easy to do that with a desktop board and CPU which is cheaper and with far fewer compromises. An 8 thread i3 12th gen will happily sit inside a 30w power limit so there's often not that much to choose between them.
Why not get that Framwork Laptop MB that's just $199(New MB) with that older generation Intel Quad core processor and get that Cooler Master case that's for converting old Framework laptop MBs into Mini Desktop PCs. You'll Need to purchase the Modular Port adapters and bower brick as well for that but I'll bet that it's low power using at idle and that you can pair with a Portable USB powered Display or just use it in some headless server configuration.
Then the InWin Chopin Max(Has larger fan/cooler clearance and the 200W Power supply is internal), It's the smallest build that can take a Mini-ITX MB but it's too small to accommodate any dGPU without a case mod! That's the maximum DIY friendly Very Small form factor build but on the AMD side that's limited to AM4/Ryzen 5700G at the top end because AMD's refusing to release any Ryzen 6000G or 7000G series Desktop APUs for the AM5 Platform. There are Intel options there but currently the Graphics is limited to whatever the latest 96EU/Lower EU count integrated graphics that Intel provides on the ADL/RPL platform.
One can build a Ryzen 7000(RDNA2/2CU iGPU and not marketed as an APU) Desktop processor based Chopin system but that's not going to support much in the way of iGPU horsepower unless a eGPU is utilized or as stated earlier one is into case modding. And if one needs more power inside the Chopin then an HDPLEX GaN power supply can utilized at 250W and 500W configurations.
It's probably because the MXM card also has a PCIe bifurcation chip on it.
i7-12650H only does a x8/x4/x4 split. Of which x4 is already used by the m.2 slot on the mobo. You would, therefore, need a separate chip to split that x8 signal into 2 or 3 m.2 slots. IDK if MXM cards can be run at x12, or if the CPU would even support that.
Being on a separate card, I guess it also opens up the possibility of upgrades down the line? Although, I think most people here would agree that a full sized pcie x8 or x16 slot would be more cost effective, if that were the case.
This is great for an extremely quiet and tiny plex server. Teamgroup MP34 4TB m.2 are $150. There's no reason for m.2 speed, but the size and convenience is far better than 2.5" ssd's. (And a lot of times cheaper)
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meacupla - Friday, September 8, 2023 - link
It never says what speed the m.2 slot is on the mobo, but the MXM module is only PCIe 3.0 speeds.Power is from a 19V laptop power brick. Presumably you'd want at least a 180W?
At $313, I think it would be competitive against an Flashtor6 FS6706T. The catch being Flashtor6 is an all NVMe solution, where as this mobo is only 4xNVMe + 2xSATA.
If you want more SATA ports, I guess you can buy 3x JMB585 NVMe to SATA adapters for a total of 15 more? Powering such a contraption being another story.
FWhitTrampoline - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
"Those who would like to use the Eyertec AD650i for a PC, the MXM slot is not limited to SSDs and can technically be used to install a graphics card. But as MXM graphics cards have fallen out of favor (in place of soldered-down solutions), finding one worth installing is a whole other matter."No MXM Modules is a great Option Considering that AMD's No Longer releasing Desktop APUs of The Socket Packaged Variety. So just think about some AM5 Mini ITX MB with an MXM slot adapter and that still has an AM5 socket so I can build some Inwin Chopin like Very Small For Factor DIY Build there and us some Ryzen 7000 desktop processor in that with that only RDNA2/2CU graphics and with the MXM based dGPU useful for gaming.
FWhitTrampoline - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
This post is not a Reply to meacupla's post it is a reply to the article.dontlistentome - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
That price isn't bad - a CPU with that many threads ain't cheap, and if you feed it decent power limits (which presumably in a case it can handle), the performance isn't that far off the desktop ones.Main issue for me is idle power - none of these vendors seem great at idle optimisation, so these limited devices (even the N100 ones) often idle around 10w (laptops are 1-2w screen off) - it's pretty easy to do that with a desktop board and CPU which is cheaper and with far fewer compromises. An 8 thread i3 12th gen will happily sit inside a 30w power limit so there's often not that much to choose between them.
FWhitTrampoline - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
Why not get that Framwork Laptop MB that's just $199(New MB) with that older generation Intel Quad core processor and get that Cooler Master case that's for converting old Framework laptop MBs into Mini Desktop PCs. You'll Need to purchase the Modular Port adapters and bower brick as well for that but I'll bet that it's low power using at idle and that you can pair with a Portable USB powered Display or just use it in some headless server configuration.FWhitTrampoline - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
Edit: Bower to PowerAspernari - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
Because that hardware is absolute trash, isn't an ITX form factor, and requires all sorts of supporting components to make a functional device.Why not just do *horrible thing* instead of *good thing*?
FWhitTrampoline - Sunday, September 10, 2023 - link
Then the InWin Chopin Max(Has larger fan/cooler clearance and the 200W Power supply is internal), It's the smallest build that can take a Mini-ITX MB but it's too small to accommodate any dGPU without a case mod! That's the maximum DIY friendly Very Small form factor build but on the AMD side that's limited to AM4/Ryzen 5700G at the top end because AMD's refusing to release any Ryzen 6000G or 7000G series Desktop APUs for the AM5 Platform. There are Intel options there but currently the Graphics is limited to whatever the latest 96EU/Lower EU count integrated graphics that Intel provides on the ADL/RPL platform.One can build a Ryzen 7000(RDNA2/2CU iGPU and not marketed as an APU) Desktop processor based Chopin system but that's not going to support much in the way of iGPU horsepower unless a eGPU is utilized or as stated earlier one is into case modding. And if one needs more power inside the Chopin then an HDPLEX GaN power supply can utilized at 250W and 500W configurations.
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, September 11, 2023 - link
So build a frankenstein PC instead of just buying the standard hardware that exists?Yeah OK....
erotomania - Tuesday, September 12, 2023 - link
I'm glad this exists - I just don't see myself using it!Kaption - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
Wish it was faster then usb 3 speeds it be great if each ssd could input the 15GB/s so you can do 60 GB/s with 4 of them.erinadreno - Sunday, September 10, 2023 - link
Sadly the mxm port is pcie3.0 only. Not sure why they feel the need to use an mxm carrier instead of putting 4m.2 slots on the pcb.meacupla - Sunday, September 10, 2023 - link
It's probably because the MXM card also has a PCIe bifurcation chip on it.i7-12650H only does a x8/x4/x4 split. Of which x4 is already used by the m.2 slot on the mobo.
You would, therefore, need a separate chip to split that x8 signal into 2 or 3 m.2 slots.
IDK if MXM cards can be run at x12, or if the CPU would even support that.
Being on a separate card, I guess it also opens up the possibility of upgrades down the line? Although, I think most people here would agree that a full sized pcie x8 or x16 slot would be more cost effective, if that were the case.
dontlistentome - Tuesday, September 12, 2023 - link
After you've run the benchmark, exactly what is the point of that?Dug - Wednesday, September 13, 2023 - link
This is great for an extremely quiet and tiny plex server. Teamgroup MP34 4TB m.2 are $150.There's no reason for m.2 speed, but the size and convenience is far better than 2.5" ssd's. (And a lot of times cheaper)