Interesting, because the 12/13/14 series are all based on the same architecture, in fact, the 14 and 13 chips are essentially identical. It makes me wonder if this is related to the incredibly high failure rates of the 13 and 14 series chips, maybe the 14 series will be taken off of the market shortly after the next generation of chips is out.Reply
I would imagine the failure rate would be mostly due to buyers doing silly things to their processors like applying too much voltage or clocking the chips higher than factory specs would allow. People do some pretty stupid things to CPUs to wring a couple percent more performance out of them that is barely or not at all detectable outside of benchmarks. After all, with adequate cooling and a lack of pointlessly tampering with what already works, CPUs tend to live far beyond the point where they are obsolete.Reply
'I would imagine the failure rate would be mostly due to buyers doing silly things to their processors like applying too much voltage or clocking the chips higher than factory specs would allow.'
That's not consistent with the reporting I have been seeing, although I haven't spent significant time reviewing it. The hypothesis I have seen is that motherboard makers have continued to offer all-core turbo as an on-by-default feature and the new chips can't handle it. If not all-core turbo, then some other kind of enhancement. As motherboard makers have been doing that for many years, it's not simply to simply blame them. At minimum, Intel would be responsible for communicating to them that they need to adapt their boards and feature sets to accommodate the characteristics of the chips.Reply
It isn't far fetched to say these chips were already at their peak potential and pushing them any further like all-core turbo exceeded the package capabilities. We're talking like what, 250w official, but even Anandtech saw package power draw of 330w stock. That's just ridiculous for a 250mm 10nm die, let alone the package and socket.Reply
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wrkingclass_hero - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
Interesting, because the 12/13/14 series are all based on the same architecture, in fact, the 14 and 13 chips are essentially identical. It makes me wonder if this is related to the incredibly high failure rates of the 13 and 14 series chips, maybe the 14 series will be taken off of the market shortly after the next generation of chips is out. ReplyCaptain obvious - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
How high is "incredibly high"?But yeah, the timing is curious to say the least...
Or they are simply using the dies for the more expensive SKUs... Reply
PeachNCream - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
I would imagine the failure rate would be mostly due to buyers doing silly things to their processors like applying too much voltage or clocking the chips higher than factory specs would allow. People do some pretty stupid things to CPUs to wring a couple percent more performance out of them that is barely or not at all detectable outside of benchmarks. After all, with adequate cooling and a lack of pointlessly tampering with what already works, CPUs tend to live far beyond the point where they are obsolete. ReplyOxford Guy - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
'I would imagine the failure rate would be mostly due to buyers doing silly things to their processors like applying too much voltage or clocking the chips higher than factory specs would allow.'That's not consistent with the reporting I have been seeing, although I haven't spent significant time reviewing it. The hypothesis I have seen is that motherboard makers have continued to offer all-core turbo as an on-by-default feature and the new chips can't handle it. If not all-core turbo, then some other kind of enhancement. As motherboard makers have been doing that for many years, it's not simply to simply blame them. At minimum, Intel would be responsible for communicating to them that they need to adapt their boards and feature sets to accommodate the characteristics of the chips. Reply
Samus - Friday, April 12, 2024 - link
It isn't far fetched to say these chips were already at their peak potential and pushing them any further like all-core turbo exceeded the package capabilities. We're talking like what, 250w official, but even Anandtech saw package power draw of 330w stock. That's just ridiculous for a 250mm 10nm die, let alone the package and socket. Reply