So Intel is like trying to save their farce with the statement, they do not want to get sued into oblivion by making Z boards render into budget boards and also faking their Turbo Boost 3.0 clock rates into 1-3 seconds. But rather try to apply ointment on something that's burnt to a crisp (i.e Intel 13 and 14th).
Also CEP is enabled in their baseline, that alone will make the K series Unlocked processor to operate at lower power and lower time of high frequency clock rate. So it's nothing but a SW bandaid to a HW failure / problem.
Intel does not want to limit the Z boards and K processors to be massively restricted and lose 10-20% performance. Well I was checking my friend's 13900K on ASUS Z790 Strix E, guess what, Cinebench R15 crashes. R23 works but the temps out of box with MCE on ASUS gets the CPU to 100C on an AIO that too Corsair one.
This gen Intel stretched their everything and broke the back, 6GHz is just marketing ploy and won't even run on many processors which are CEP restricted. GG. The 10nm++ / Intel 7 / 10nm SuperFin. Cannot handle this much clock rate at 6GHz and 5.8GHz this proves that their 10nm density is not built up for the task, makes sense since TSMC 7N never hit such high clock speeds. And Ryzen 7000 was built on TSMC 5N and it shoots to 1.4V with XFR and 94C Temp scaling, Intel pushed far beyond on 10nm which is similar to TSMC 7N but gone are the days of Intel 14nm where they can push high clocks, the 11th gen showed the limits of new Core, only SKL was able to take it that far which was pushed to extreme at 10C20T limits of Ringbus as Ring was unstable at beyond 5GHz on that as it would degrade cache. But with 11th it was a massive disaster, cant use 2 more cores and high heat. With 13th and 14th they cannot beat the 5.5GHz of 12th gen without losing stability. RIP. With ARL, they are killing Hyperthreading. End of Intel is coming for sure. Zen 5 will break havoc on Intel Client Computing Group.
Good that I skipped this disastrous LGA1700, Bending the CPU by poorly designed ILM. E core design, un-tameable heat. I'll stick with my LGA1200 SP100+ i9 10900K in the foreseeable future.Reply
Also on a side note, go to any ASUS board on Z790 platform see the VF curves, they are pushing very high 1.3-1.4v as the norm this is not a good voltage at all. Even on 14nm++ 1.4V is a huge L as it will degrade the CPU fast. Only high SP rating processors can manage 5.0GHz on 14nm++ at 1.3V. With lower density Intel pushed too much voltage. I don't know how AMD processors will last with 94C as normal temp and 1.4V with XFR, although overall Zen 4 voltage reduced by a lot vs Zen 3, Zen 4 operates at 1.2V and only high clock XFR boosts it goes to 1.4V. Not to mention the OEMs have Intel Baseline with everything applied and the LLC pushing to dangerous 1.6V.Reply
@Gavin, click to enlarge Intel's Default Settings table does not enlarge. Image is very low res. Anyone have a link to the original full size table?Reply
Review sites are to blame for this. The only reason for overclocking out of the box is review sites use charts labeled "out of the box" or "default".Reply
13700k owner here. I got 100c in cinebench. It would not crash, but my PCcrashed ocasionally at random times. This after my old gaming pc that ran like a clock quiet and stable. It was a dissapointing experience. And for the first time I regret getting Intel CPU. I also found a forum with a lot of people complaining that their 13th gen CPUs are also getting too hot. What intel did was unforgivable. And once we officially confirm that 10-20% performance is lost according to Intel's baseline settings, this calls for a lawsuit. I did not get a 13700k, it is a 13600 at best.Reply
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Marlin1975 - Wednesday, May 8, 2024 - link
So is Anandtech going to retest intel CPUs at their "correct" voltage not the overclocked voltage? Replymode_13h - Wednesday, May 8, 2024 - link
I second this. Replyshabby - Thursday, May 9, 2024 - link
Third'd! ReplyOxford Guy - Thursday, May 9, 2024 - link
Totally unnecessary. Official statements can both turn back time and change benchmark results. ReplyGeoffreyA - Saturday, May 11, 2024 - link
Well, we live in a world where facts can be changed with the magic wand of human language. ReplySilver5urfer - Wednesday, May 8, 2024 - link
So Intel is like trying to save their farce with the statement, they do not want to get sued into oblivion by making Z boards render into budget boards and also faking their Turbo Boost 3.0 clock rates into 1-3 seconds. But rather try to apply ointment on something that's burnt to a crisp (i.e Intel 13 and 14th).Also CEP is enabled in their baseline, that alone will make the K series Unlocked processor to operate at lower power and lower time of high frequency clock rate. So it's nothing but a SW bandaid to a HW failure / problem.
Intel does not want to limit the Z boards and K processors to be massively restricted and lose 10-20% performance. Well I was checking my friend's 13900K on ASUS Z790 Strix E, guess what, Cinebench R15 crashes. R23 works but the temps out of box with MCE on ASUS gets the CPU to 100C on an AIO that too Corsair one.
This gen Intel stretched their everything and broke the back, 6GHz is just marketing ploy and won't even run on many processors which are CEP restricted. GG. The 10nm++ / Intel 7 / 10nm SuperFin. Cannot handle this much clock rate at 6GHz and 5.8GHz this proves that their 10nm density is not built up for the task, makes sense since TSMC 7N never hit such high clock speeds. And Ryzen 7000 was built on TSMC 5N and it shoots to 1.4V with XFR and 94C Temp scaling, Intel pushed far beyond on 10nm which is similar to TSMC 7N but gone are the days of Intel 14nm where they can push high clocks, the 11th gen showed the limits of new Core, only SKL was able to take it that far which was pushed to extreme at 10C20T limits of Ringbus as Ring was unstable at beyond 5GHz on that as it would degrade cache. But with 11th it was a massive disaster, cant use 2 more cores and high heat. With 13th and 14th they cannot beat the 5.5GHz of 12th gen without losing stability. RIP. With ARL, they are killing Hyperthreading. End of Intel is coming for sure. Zen 5 will break havoc on Intel Client Computing Group.
Good that I skipped this disastrous LGA1700, Bending the CPU by poorly designed ILM. E core design, un-tameable heat. I'll stick with my LGA1200 SP100+ i9 10900K in the foreseeable future. Reply
Silver5urfer - Wednesday, May 8, 2024 - link
Also on a side note, go to any ASUS board on Z790 platform see the VF curves, they are pushing very high 1.3-1.4v as the norm this is not a good voltage at all. Even on 14nm++ 1.4V is a huge L as it will degrade the CPU fast. Only high SP rating processors can manage 5.0GHz on 14nm++ at 1.3V. With lower density Intel pushed too much voltage. I don't know how AMD processors will last with 94C as normal temp and 1.4V with XFR, although overall Zen 4 voltage reduced by a lot vs Zen 3, Zen 4 operates at 1.2V and only high clock XFR boosts it goes to 1.4V. Not to mention the OEMs have Intel Baseline with everything applied and the LLC pushing to dangerous 1.6V. ReplyGeoffreyA - Wednesday, May 8, 2024 - link
Get the bucket of water because someone's pants is on fire. ReplyKlapper.cz - Wednesday, May 8, 2024 - link
Not great of course. And it completely ignores how to treat most likely already deteriorated CPUs. ReplySquuiid - Thursday, May 9, 2024 - link
@Gavin, click to enlarge Intel's Default Settings table does not enlarge. Image is very low res. Anyone have a link to the original full size table? ReplyIketh - Thursday, May 9, 2024 - link
Review sites are to blame for this. The only reason for overclocking out of the box is review sites use charts labeled "out of the box" or "default". Replyhaplo602 - Friday, May 10, 2024 - link
Why are the Baseline marked as N/A ? I have seen somewhere (I think it was HardwareUnboxed) that Baseline is 125W/188W PL1/PL2 ? Replyskinnyelephant - Friday, May 10, 2024 - link
13700k owner here. I got 100c in cinebench. It would not crash, but my PCcrashed ocasionally at random times. This after my old gaming pc that ran like a clock quiet and stable.It was a dissapointing experience. And for the first time I regret getting Intel CPU.
I also found a forum with a lot of people complaining that their 13th gen CPUs are also getting too hot. What intel did was unforgivable. And once we officially confirm that 10-20% performance is lost according to Intel's baseline settings, this calls for a lawsuit.
I did not get a 13700k, it is a 13600 at best. Reply